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it has been systematically starved by congress because the nra doesn't like the batf. it doesn't even have a full time confirmed leader. it is a firearms agency. the power of the nra is such in congress that they have essentially written this agency out of the book. >> when i talk about a new agency or this new initiative, is it just about guns or a far greater issue that everybody wants to put a piece in. >> sure. there are lots of moving parts here. obviously mental health is an enormous part. the federal government doesn't have a lot to do with mental health. mostly state issues. they can give money. they can give money to the states for sorts of things and they don't control issues of who gets institutionalized and who gets deinstitutionalized and what narcotics or what kind of medicine can be used on people, so color me very skeptical. as dana point out, there is not a lot of political will here among vulnerable democrats and they're the ones who will make the difference and the republican party is already completely aligned. >> let me talk to you about the suprem
it has been systematically starved by congress because the nra doesn't like the batf. it doesn't even have a full time confirmed leader. it is a firearms agency. the power of the nra is such in congress that they have essentially written this agency out of the book. >> when i talk about a new agency or this new initiative, is it just about guns or a far greater issue that everybody wants to put a piece in. >> sure. there are lots of moving parts here. obviously mental health is an...
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the nra embarrassed itself. as michael said they had an opportunity today to change the national image of the nra. if they said, look, no american gun owner, no hunter needs a high capacity magazine with more than ten bullets and a clip, we're for that ban. our members, frank luntz, fox news frank luntz poll 47% of our members said no one should get a gun without a background check. we're endorsing a federal ban on gun shows selling guns without background checks. federal ban on internet sales. they could have taken a real step towards enhancing their credibility. they embarrassed himself. learning apierr emp pm-- lapier resign. the republicans have a choice. break with the nra or have every suburban american that looks like this and says this guy is nuts. if you look at this statement you have to think this guy is whacked. that's a danger for the republicans to align themselves with. >> i know you don't mean this in a flip callous way but your reaction is similar to other people who are not anti-gun, they are a
the nra embarrassed itself. as michael said they had an opportunity today to change the national image of the nra. if they said, look, no american gun owner, no hunter needs a high capacity magazine with more than ten bullets and a clip, we're for that ban. our members, frank luntz, fox news frank luntz poll 47% of our members said no one should get a gun without a background check. we're endorsing a federal ban on gun shows selling guns without background checks. federal ban on internet sales....
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primarily because of the strong opposition by the nra. you know, the nra has been a very powerful lobby in washington. they have spent, you know, this past elengz cycle spent $18 million to -- on issue ads and a million dollars in direct contributions to political candidates. >> when you start -- 15 seconds to you catherine, will this happen, will this change in this coming congress? >> if congress is successful in taking care of the fiscal cliff is an indicator i can say no. >> thanks to all of you. >> thanks for having us. >> join us tomorrow from 3 p.m. to 5 p.m. eastern. and we will be joined by tennessee republican congresswoman blackburn and congressman cohen. and be sure to catch "meet the press." check the local listings for that time. until then, have a very great saturday afternoon.
primarily because of the strong opposition by the nra. you know, the nra has been a very powerful lobby in washington. they have spent, you know, this past elengz cycle spent $18 million to -- on issue ads and a million dollars in direct contributions to political candidates. >> when you start -- 15 seconds to you catherine, will this happen, will this change in this coming congress? >> if congress is successful in taking care of the fiscal cliff is an indicator i can say no....
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the nra twitter feed has gone silent and the nra headquarters reportedly shut down its switchboard friday and didn't return e-mails for comment. the only somethithing the nra s no comment. after the tragic shootings at an aurora movie theater this summer that left 12 people dead. the nra's silence at this critical moment is shameful and telling. and more and more, politicians are calling them out. >> this myth that the nra can destroy political careers is just not true. there's this myth that the nra is so powerful, you go back to what happened when the democrats lost after the assault weapons ban, i don't know that you can. they want to stop this carnage. >> the american people do want to stop the carnage. the nra may not be talking. but we'll all have to make them listen. joining me now is a congressman from the brady campaign. he's also a survivor from the virginia tech shooting in 2007 when he was shot four times by a lone gunman who killed 32 people. and dana millbank, columnist from the washington post. thank you both for being here tonight. >> thank you, reverend. >> colin, let me
the nra twitter feed has gone silent and the nra headquarters reportedly shut down its switchboard friday and didn't return e-mails for comment. the only somethithing the nra s no comment. after the tragic shootings at an aurora movie theater this summer that left 12 people dead. the nra's silence at this critical moment is shameful and telling. and more and more, politicians are calling them out. >> this myth that the nra can destroy political careers is just not true. there's this myth...
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the nra breaks its silence. president obama and communities all over america paused in a moment of silence. president obama is calling for a ban on assault weapons. today, the nra offered a rather different solution. publicly breaking the silence. the silence for the first time since the massacre, the nra proposed a sweeping plan to have armed guards at every school in the nation. >> the truth is our society is populated by an unknown number of genuine monsters. people that are so deranged, so evil, so possessed by voices and driven by demons that no sane person can ever possibly comprehend them. they walk among us every single day. and does anybody really believe that the next adam lanza isn't planning his attack on a school? since when did a gun automatically become a bad word? a gun in the hands of a secret service agent protecting our president isn't a bad word. a gun in the hands of a soldier protecting the united states of america isn't a bad word. and when you hear your glass breaking at 3:00 a.m. and you
the nra breaks its silence. president obama and communities all over america paused in a moment of silence. president obama is calling for a ban on assault weapons. today, the nra offered a rather different solution. publicly breaking the silence. the silence for the first time since the massacre, the nra proposed a sweeping plan to have armed guards at every school in the nation. >> the truth is our society is populated by an unknown number of genuine monsters. people that are so...
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erin, what do you think they mean by that, the nra. what do you think they will support? >> i think they know that something is going to be passed, and it will serve them best to be in this fight from the very beginning. not a fight really. i think they're serious. i think they know this is a problem, and it would just be best for them -- >> you mean they'll support some gun restrictions. >> i think they will absolutely. >> when have they done it before? >> i can't say but -- >> when have they done it before? they have never done it before. >> they never have but when they say they want to give some meaningful contributions they mean it. >> they'll talk about mental illness, possible checks on mental illness, the video culture of our society, they'll talk about everything but guns. your thought, ron, we have to get out of here but i don't have any confidence in the nra. you may be right. >> meaningful ccs, cosmetic contributions is what they're looking for. but erin is right, they're looking to get on board this thing so they can steer the train as it were. >> i think the
erin, what do you think they mean by that, the nra. what do you think they will support? >> i think they know that something is going to be passed, and it will serve them best to be in this fight from the very beginning. not a fight really. i think they're serious. i think they know this is a problem, and it would just be best for them -- >> you mean they'll support some gun restrictions. >> i think they will absolutely. >> when have they done it before? >> i can't...
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do you think the nra -- sorry, do you think the nra is arming african-american communities and drugging them up for each other? >> bob: they help arm america. yes. >> dana: why do you think the police told not to drive? he was a danger to society, because he was drunk. if he got in the bentley then the bentley could have been used as a murder weapon. that's what he would have gotten done for if he had driven a car. jason whitlock doesn't talk about the personal responsibility that belcher has. then it's our fault. how is it our fault that he -- he was on drugs. had troubled past. we brought up this morning the things -- he had anger management issues. this goes to the mental health, dealing with the anger and sudden fame and all of a sudden you have this money. it can't be my fault he made that decision. >> eric: it's not your fault. >> bob: it's the people with problems -- >> greg: like that. >> dana: he based, the cops let him off because he was like that. he was wealthy, famous, part of a great team and they wanted him to be suck sus elf. >> eric: like that is the constitutional frig
do you think the nra -- sorry, do you think the nra is arming african-american communities and drugging them up for each other? >> bob: they help arm america. yes. >> dana: why do you think the police told not to drive? he was a danger to society, because he was drunk. if he got in the bentley then the bentley could have been used as a murder weapon. that's what he would have gotten done for if he had driven a car. jason whitlock doesn't talk about the personal responsibility that...
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does the nra have disproportionate power? you argued a moment ago they didn't have the power they once did in a presidential election. >> i'll give you a good example. i'm not the kind of person to sit back and say, you know, the world is getting worse for my kids, and i'm gone, i don't care about their lives. i do care about their lives. i'm going to do everything while i'm alive to make the world a better place for my kids but also for society. and take a look. one of the things i decided to do in the last election was to support some candidates that were running against those that had great records with the nra, where the nra was putting their money into one side. i decided to put my money into the other side. >> joe baca in california, one of the democrats that you supported? >> we won four out of seven -- four out of seven where the nra supported every one of those four and we won with a small amount of money. there is this myth that the nra is so powerful. you go back to what happened back when the democrats lost after
does the nra have disproportionate power? you argued a moment ago they didn't have the power they once did in a presidential election. >> i'll give you a good example. i'm not the kind of person to sit back and say, you know, the world is getting worse for my kids, and i'm gone, i don't care about their lives. i do care about their lives. i'm going to do everything while i'm alive to make the world a better place for my kids but also for society. and take a look. one of the things i...
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the nra will oppose that. they said they favor lots of things to try to get at the violence of schools, more armed guards with guns at schools, a look at the culture of violence, that president obama grease with, better records in the instant check system of those adjudged to be mentally defective, that's the term in the law. they favor all those things except restrictions on gun, the nra does. there will be a big lobbying battle in congress when this begins to move. >> when we look back at 2008 and the court decision at that time regarding washington, d.c.'s gun control law, how might that decision come into play if at all. >> it's going to in some way. in a very narrow sense what the supreme court decision stands for is a very important thing. for the first time in american history the supreme court defined the second amendment. it said it does apply to an individual right to own a gun but it stands only for the constitutional right to possess a handgun in the home for self-defense. it doesn't say anything a
the nra will oppose that. they said they favor lots of things to try to get at the violence of schools, more armed guards with guns at schools, a look at the culture of violence, that president obama grease with, better records in the instant check system of those adjudged to be mentally defective, that's the term in the law. they favor all those things except restrictions on gun, the nra does. there will be a big lobbying battle in congress when this begins to move. >> when we look back...
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for the first time since the tragedy in newtown the nra speaks out as momentum now grows across the country to do something about guns. >>> held hostage. our own richard engel and his crew set free after being kidnapped for five days inside syria. tonight we'll hear from richard about what happened and how they made it out. >>> is there a deal in sight on that so-called fiscal cliff? that may hinge on how both sides define "rich." >>> and making a difference. it started as a simple idea. just being kind. tonight ann curry reports on the overwhelming response now being felt around the world. "nightly news" begins now. 6 captions paid for by nbc-universal television >>> four days since the tragedy that altered our entire country, the gun lobby has spoken its first words on the subject. 9 national rifle association, routine teenl referred to as the most powerful lobbying in the country have been silent out of respect for the victims after one man took 28 lives including his own, 20 little school children in newtown, connecticut. along with mental health the gun control debate has come roar int
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but only if they tow the line 100% on the nra's agenda. and if they deviate at all, it is made very clear to them that the nra will turn its guns on them and support a challenger and will take them out. and that has happened on a few occasions and people understand in the republican party that they can't cross the nra. well, i think that's going to change. it's going to have to change if the party is going to survive because what happens is, as we saw the last time around, the nominee simply lose in the general election. the public has lost its appetite for the nra's political agenda of unlimited access to guns. >> you know, debra, the nra has remained very quiet in the wake of this tragedy, and often in the wake of other school shootings. and then come out pretty hard against legislation down the road once attention has faded away. do you think it's going to be any different now? do you think there is a change in the public's attitude? >> well, we'll have to wait and see. i can tell you that in tennessee they were quite hypocritical of ho
but only if they tow the line 100% on the nra's agenda. and if they deviate at all, it is made very clear to them that the nra will turn its guns on them and support a challenger and will take them out. and that has happened on a few occasions and people understand in the republican party that they can't cross the nra. well, i think that's going to change. it's going to have to change if the party is going to survive because what happens is, as we saw the last time around, the nominee simply...
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the nra rick rolled the whole country. they promised us something that sounded new, something that sounded meaningful, something you thought maybe this time would be a change, it would be worth tuning in for. something you hadn't heard before from this very important group, right? but then you tuned in, you clicked, and what you got is something that they have always done, and that you have heard many, many times before. >> there exists in this country, sadly, a callous, corrupt and corrupting shadow industry that sells and stows violence against its own people. through vicious, violent video games. i mean, we have blood-soaked films out there. a thousand music videos, and you all know this, portray life as a joke. and they play murder, portray murder as a way of life. and throughout it all, to many in the national media, their corporate owners and their stockholders act as conspirators. >> music, video games, videos, at one point he blamed hurricanes for whatever is the bad thing that happens next. but definitely not guns
the nra rick rolled the whole country. they promised us something that sounded new, something that sounded meaningful, something you thought maybe this time would be a change, it would be worth tuning in for. something you hadn't heard before from this very important group, right? but then you tuned in, you clicked, and what you got is something that they have always done, and that you have heard many, many times before. >> there exists in this country, sadly, a callous, corrupt and...
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various nra news personalities, they sponsor like news shows that's just talk radio that's pro nra. they spouted their beliefs about gun control. but nobody paid attention to that. in terms of an official statement from the group, the nra as an organization did not put out a statement of any kind until four days after the newtown attack. and at first it seemed to follow the nra pattern. they're just going to express their sadness, right? and say this isn't the time that talk about policy. but this statement actually was different. "the nra is prepared to offer meaningful contributions to help make sure this never happens again." the nra's planning to hold a major news conference in the washington, d.c. area on friday, december 21st. a major news conference planned for tomorrow in response to that mass shooting. as far as we can tell, the nra has never reacted to a mass shooting in the way that they are very proudly promoting this news conference for tomorrow. they've certainly never said anything like they said in this statement about being prepared to offer meaningful contributions
various nra news personalities, they sponsor like news shows that's just talk radio that's pro nra. they spouted their beliefs about gun control. but nobody paid attention to that. in terms of an official statement from the group, the nra as an organization did not put out a statement of any kind until four days after the newtown attack. and at first it seemed to follow the nra pattern. they're just going to express their sadness, right? and say this isn't the time that talk about policy. but...
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would the nra be prepared to help financially? is it a budgetary matter feasible? would federal grants be necessary to provide this kind of fire power? >> we have all kinds of foreign aid we do. my gosh, we're doing $2 billion to train the police in iraq right now. with all the money in the federal budget, if we can't come up to do this, there's something wrong. we fund the child safety program right now as a model of the school for kids too young to be around guns. it teaches them if you see a gun, stop, leave the area. we have child accidents down to the lowest level ever in history. >> here's something you said on friday that struck me because this is really the nub of the argument about armed security. what if when adam lanza started shooting his way into sandy hook elementary school last friday he'd been confronted by qualified armed security? will you at least admit it's possible that 26 little kids, that 26 innocent lives might have been spared that day? is it so abhorrent to you that you'd rather continue to risk the alternative? >> because that's your stan
would the nra be prepared to help financially? is it a budgetary matter feasible? would federal grants be necessary to provide this kind of fire power? >> we have all kinds of foreign aid we do. my gosh, we're doing $2 billion to train the police in iraq right now. with all the money in the federal budget, if we can't come up to do this, there's something wrong. we fund the child safety program right now as a model of the school for kids too young to be around guns. it teaches them if you...
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an nra member. he told joe scarborough why he thinks we ought to talk about this. >> never before have we seen our babies slaughtered. it's never happened in america that i can recall, ever seeing this type of carnage. anybody, anybody that lives in america, anybody that's a proud gun owner, anybody that's a proud member of the nra, they're also proud parents, proud grandparents, they understand. this has changed where we go from here. i'm going to speak to all my colleagues. i'm going to reach out to all of my friends at the nra. i'll go over and sit down with them and say how can we take the dialogue to a different level? how can we sit down and make sure we're moving and not be afraid that someone is going to attack our freedoms and our rights. >> let me go back to mr. larson. this is a real trouble here because it always goes back to freedom and the fact we love this freedom we feel. adlai stevenson once said freedom in this doesn't is something you can actually feel. it just feels great, the se
an nra member. he told joe scarborough why he thinks we ought to talk about this. >> never before have we seen our babies slaughtered. it's never happened in america that i can recall, ever seeing this type of carnage. anybody, anybody that lives in america, anybody that's a proud gun owner, anybody that's a proud member of the nra, they're also proud parents, proud grandparents, they understand. this has changed where we go from here. i'm going to speak to all my colleagues. i'm going to...
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i have had an nra rating of an "a," but, you know, enough is enough. i have got -- i'm father of three daughters, and this weekend they all said, dad, you know, how can this go on? and i like i think most of us realize that there are ways to get to rational gun control. there are ways to grapple with the obvious challenges of mental illness. >> those wonderful words in the bible about you must become like a child. the interesting approach and i was thinking in so many cases in recent history you have seen the young in this country, the people under 30, for example, who have led the way on issues like same-sex marriage, on issues like even obama's election to the presidency and so many cases. do you think this is an area where young kids are going to say to their parents, get over this nra fixation, be loyal to us kids, not to them? >> i think that's exactly what we're hearing now and that's why you heard joe manchin from west virginia saying the same thing. you had harry reid, who is quite pro-gun out there making some favorable noise. a lot of these i
i have had an nra rating of an "a," but, you know, enough is enough. i have got -- i'm father of three daughters, and this weekend they all said, dad, you know, how can this go on? and i like i think most of us realize that there are ways to get to rational gun control. there are ways to grapple with the obvious challenges of mental illness. >> those wonderful words in the bible about you must become like a child. the interesting approach and i was thinking in so many cases in...
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the nra's contribution? more guns. >> i call on congress today to act immediately to appropriate whatever is necessary to put armed police officers in every single school in this nation. >> given the nra's track record, this is no idle chatter from a grand-standing lobbyist. this is what they do best. for most of the nra's history, the organization acted chiefly as a sporting and hunting association. in the first 100 plus years of its existence, the nra stuck to training and marksmanship and while they have had a legislative affairs division since the 1930s, it wasn't until the mid 1970s that the organization made a radical turn into politics. since 1980, 44 states have passed some form of law advocated by the nra that allows gun owners to carry concealed weapons. just in the past four years across 37 states, the nra and its allies have helped to pass 99 laws making guns easier to own, to carry in public, and harder to track. the group has helped pass legal gems like allowing gun owners in kansas to carry co
the nra's contribution? more guns. >> i call on congress today to act immediately to appropriate whatever is necessary to put armed police officers in every single school in this nation. >> given the nra's track record, this is no idle chatter from a grand-standing lobbyist. this is what they do best. for most of the nra's history, the organization acted chiefly as a sporting and hunting association. in the first 100 plus years of its existence, the nra stuck to training and...
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but then, even as we say that, these moments appear to be bad for the nra and run and hide but nra membership booms in these moments. gun sales boom in these moments. bushmaster sales are booming in the wake of the gabby giffords shooting, glocks boomed. they would never admit it but in a perverse way, the moments are good for them so then how do we expect them to not want the moments? >> that's a terrible thing to say. the nra does not want these moments and invests millions a year in gun safety. i can think of a piece of legislation in 2007, the nixon improvement act to incentive states to report of people to be mentally disabled or a danger to themselves or others or suicidal. in to a national database. that was legislation written by the nra. passed by george w. bush. i would expect to see more efforts along those lines. around mental health. i know because i know the nra that they're interested in having a conversation. but they want to talk about what works. and unfortunately, calling a school a gun-free zone and slapping a sticker on it is an immoshl lack of attention to the issue of s
but then, even as we say that, these moments appear to be bad for the nra and run and hide but nra membership booms in these moments. gun sales boom in these moments. bushmaster sales are booming in the wake of the gabby giffords shooting, glocks boomed. they would never admit it but in a perverse way, the moments are good for them so then how do we expect them to not want the moments? >> that's a terrible thing to say. the nra does not want these moments and invests millions a year in...
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the nra will. we fund the child safety program right now as a model for the schools for kids too young to be around guns. it teaches them if you see a gun, stop, don't touch them. we have child accidents down to the lowest level ever in u.s. history. >> here's something you said on friday that struck me because i think this is really the nub of the argument about armed security. >> what if when adam lanza started shooting his way into sandy hook elementary school last friday he'd been confronted by qualified armed security? will you at least admit it's possible that 26 little kids, the 26 innocent lives might have been spared that day? is it so abhorrent to you that you would rather consider to risk the alternative. >> that's your standard, that fewer people should be killed. that's the goal here and the standard here is if it's possible, your words, if it's possible that lives could be shared, shouldn't we try that, that's the standard, isn't it? >> my standard is this. you can't legislation moral
the nra will. we fund the child safety program right now as a model for the schools for kids too young to be around guns. it teaches them if you see a gun, stop, don't touch them. we have child accidents down to the lowest level ever in u.s. history. >> here's something you said on friday that struck me because i think this is really the nub of the argument about armed security. >> what if when adam lanza started shooting his way into sandy hook elementary school last friday he'd...
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. >> this is my nra club card. i want to show you my tribute and how outraged i am at the loss of life in newtown. connecticut. this is what i'm going to do with this card. that's it. >> now, while many gun owners agree with the nra stance that retired police officer from michigan that you saw sent cnn a video he made where he cuts up his nra card. don? >> listen, about putting armed guards in school. that has been proposed before. so it's nothing new. and it's good at least they tried to do something. but they took no personal responsibility. and no intro aspects at all. it was disgusting to most americans. is there any evidence at all that putting armed guards in school will protect children? >> i mean, there just doesn't seem to be any evidence of it. certainly senator bloumenthal doesn't think so and we didn't get a chance to ask questions of the nra, because they didn't take questions from reporters. plenty of parents would not be comfortable with certainly having more guns in schools. for example, in the shoo
. >> this is my nra club card. i want to show you my tribute and how outraged i am at the loss of life in newtown. connecticut. this is what i'm going to do with this card. that's it. >> now, while many gun owners agree with the nra stance that retired police officer from michigan that you saw sent cnn a video he made where he cuts up his nra card. don? >> listen, about putting armed guards in school. that has been proposed before. so it's nothing new. and it's good at least...
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they're afraid of the nra. they're afraid of the large lobbyists and that's the same thing as the members of congress. whether they're republican or democrat. you see that, that they cower behind and not get anything done instead of standing up. they're afraid they're going to lose their next election. if we can save a whole bunch of lives, isn't that what we're supposed to be in congress for? it's not -- >> i understand that. >> it's not taking away the right of someone to own a gun. >> you can't be elected to the united states senate from pennsylvania unless you're for gun rights totally, 100%. i know that's true in ohio and michigan, states like that. we have another person here, collin, thank you for joining us. you were at virginia tech, you were a survivor down there and i'm glad you were. here you are. a lot of people in the gun ownership side, the second amendment people, the zealots, say if a bunch of people have guns they could shoot this guy down when he walked in the door. i can imagine what we will
they're afraid of the nra. they're afraid of the large lobbyists and that's the same thing as the members of congress. whether they're republican or democrat. you see that, that they cower behind and not get anything done instead of standing up. they're afraid they're going to lose their next election. if we can save a whole bunch of lives, isn't that what we're supposed to be in congress for? it's not -- >> i understand that. >> it's not taking away the right of someone to own a...
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the nra's ceo wayne lapierre insists a ban on assault weapons won't prevent mass killings, which he blames on violent video games and the media. he says armed guns eed guards are the best way to prevent tragedies. >> if it's crazy to call for putting police and armed security in our school to protect our children, then call me crazy. i'll tell you what the american people, what they think it's crazy not to do it. >> and it's the end of an era for "newsweek" magazine. it's very last print e edition. the magazine will become a digital-only publication. this is a black and white photo and it's of the magazine's old new york headquarters. the 80-year-old "newsweek" fell victim to readers who moved online. in a statement, the editor said "we're making our last momentous change, embracing a digital medium that all our competitors one day will need to embrace. we are ahead of the curve." >>> christmas is upon us and can the fiscal cliff be far behind? the short answer is no. before flying off to hawaii, president obama left behind a stopgap plan to, in his words, agree on what he agree on and lea
the nra's ceo wayne lapierre insists a ban on assault weapons won't prevent mass killings, which he blames on violent video games and the media. he says armed guns eed guards are the best way to prevent tragedies. >> if it's crazy to call for putting police and armed security in our school to protect our children, then call me crazy. i'll tell you what the american people, what they think it's crazy not to do it. >> and it's the end of an era for "newsweek" magazine. it's...
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the nra has blood on its hands. the nra has blood on its hands. take on the nra! ban assault weapons now! ban assault weapons now! nra, ban assault weapons now! >> what is your reaction to that? >> rather than face -- rather than face their own moral failings, the media demonizes lawful gun owners and fill the national media with misinformation and dishonest thinking that only delay meaningful action and all but guarantee that the next atrocity is only a news cycle away. the media calls semiautomatic firearms machine guns. they claim these civilian semiautomatic firearms are used by the military. they tell us that the 223 round is one of the most powerful rifle calibers when all of these claims are factually untrue. they don't know what they're talking about. worse, they perpetuate the dangerous notion that one more gun ban or one more law imposed on peaceable, lawful people will protect us where 20,000 other laws have failed. as brave and heroic and as self-sacrificing as those teachers were in those classrooms and as prompt and professional and well-trained as t
the nra has blood on its hands. the nra has blood on its hands. take on the nra! ban assault weapons now! ban assault weapons now! nra, ban assault weapons now! >> what is your reaction to that? >> rather than face -- rather than face their own moral failings, the media demonizes lawful gun owners and fill the national media with misinformation and dishonest thinking that only delay meaningful action and all but guarantee that the next atrocity is only a news cycle away. the media...
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what do you expect the nra to say today? >> yeah, i don't think we know what they're going to say, and i don't think it's the right thing to kind of just speculate. i think we should talk about what we do know, which is that the overwhelming majority of americans, including the overwhelming majority of gun owners and nra members support sensible restrictions. you know, you just showed a poll that said the number of americans that support strict gun control, that's not the conversation. the conversation is around specific measures like criminal background checks on all gun sales. 74% of nra members support criminal background checks on all gun sales and our message today is really to them, to the nra members, you know, like president obama said, nra members are mothers and fathers, too, and we all grieve over this terrible tragedy and we all grieve over the 32 to 34 murders that happen every single day in our country, and there are things we can do about it and that's what we hope the nra is going to focus on as well, but it'
what do you expect the nra to say today? >> yeah, i don't think we know what they're going to say, and i don't think it's the right thing to kind of just speculate. i think we should talk about what we do know, which is that the overwhelming majority of americans, including the overwhelming majority of gun owners and nra members support sensible restrictions. you know, you just showed a poll that said the number of americans that support strict gun control, that's not the conversation....
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. >> the nra has made a statement today. the key part saying they're prepared to make meaningful contributions to make sure this doesn't happen again. >> don't hold your breath. >> jeffrey, tell me this annoying -- what did he call me, a bucolic brit. as someone who went through, very similar, the children same age killed. which means we only get 35 gun letters a year. it's the same in australia. many european companies have a similar rate. we just don't get how the nr are a is apparently so powerful that it's able to dictate policy on this on the way it does. is that going to change that michael bloomberg came out and said stop being so terrified of the nra. >> i think nra is just as powerful as they have been. and they have all the time in the world. the news media, we have a short attention span. six months from now, we're not going to be covering this story around the clock. but the nra is going to be working even harder. any debate about gun control will start to get bogged down in details which do you band, do you ban
. >> the nra has made a statement today. the key part saying they're prepared to make meaningful contributions to make sure this doesn't happen again. >> don't hold your breath. >> jeffrey, tell me this annoying -- what did he call me, a bucolic brit. as someone who went through, very similar, the children same age killed. which means we only get 35 gun letters a year. it's the same in australia. many european companies have a similar rate. we just don't get how the nr are a...
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the nra can't -- they can't say anything now. they can't -- you know, they can't whisper a word without getting slammed by anybody. you so, the politicians, too, nobody is going to say anything that doesn't fit with the sentiment of the country right now. that's grieving. >> you know, part of the grieving process has been done on social media now. and i've heard from the people of this community how much it's helped to see tweets that people have sent to them. in some cases, in the case of one of the daughters of victim this morning, she said she's gotten thousands. thousands. there's a dark side, though. connecticut state police are saying they are looking to arrest people who have posted misinformation about the shootings. impersonating the shooter and investigators. it seems unfathomable that one would want to add to the heartache. my question is, how easy for someone to do that and how complicated is it for police to prosecutor that? >> it is unfathomable. it's not understandable. people don't know that impedes the investigat
the nra can't -- they can't say anything now. they can't -- you know, they can't whisper a word without getting slammed by anybody. you so, the politicians, too, nobody is going to say anything that doesn't fit with the sentiment of the country right now. that's grieving. >> you know, part of the grieving process has been done on social media now. and i've heard from the people of this community how much it's helped to see tweets that people have sent to them. in some cases, in the case...
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sibolt, are you comfortable with what the nra put forward today? >> absolutely. more guns equals less crime. if we don't arm our teachers, if we don't have guards at the schools, there's no question about it that this is going to happen again. but at least the teachers have a fighting chance. at least they have a fighting chance to save those little kids. >> i don't want to read into this. do i understand your view that it would be a requirement for teachers? what if i'm a teacher who doesn't want to carry a firearm. i'm not proficient and i want nothing to do with guns. >> i don't want my kid in your class then. my kid is in danger. i'll send my kid to another school where the teacher is willing. >> so to a young person in school today maybe pursuing a career in college to school young people, they would also need to be trained and comfortable with the idea of carrying a weapon? >> unfortunately, this is the world we live in. >> one last thing, daefd. by that logic, why not arm the students as well? >> because the students are children. >> a high school? an 18-y
sibolt, are you comfortable with what the nra put forward today? >> absolutely. more guns equals less crime. if we don't arm our teachers, if we don't have guards at the schools, there's no question about it that this is going to happen again. but at least the teachers have a fighting chance. at least they have a fighting chance to save those little kids. >> i don't want to read into this. do i understand your view that it would be a requirement for teachers? what if i'm a teacher...
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. >>> topping our news right now, the nra is not backing down from its call to place armed officers in the nation schools. >> congressman chris murphy whose district includes newtown calls it tone deaf and also revolting. >> reporter: from the brooklyn bridge in new york to the sidewalks of falls church, virginia, anti-gun protests are springing up around the country. the debate on gun control has also triggered a run on gun shows and gun stores. sales are soaring as people rush to buy assault weapons before a possible ban. >> we're completely out of the so-called assault weapons. so they're buying up everything. >> reporter: an abc news "washington post" poll show more americans continue to favor more restrictions on gun ownership. even sales of gun safes are shooting up. >> people are definitely concerned about the safety of their families and kids. >> reporter: a week after the massacre of those innocent children and adults in newtown, connecticut, the head of the national rifle association unveiled his plan, calling for every american school to have an armed guard. >> when that hor
. >>> topping our news right now, the nra is not backing down from its call to place armed officers in the nation schools. >> congressman chris murphy whose district includes newtown calls it tone deaf and also revolting. >> reporter: from the brooklyn bridge in new york to the sidewalks of falls church, virginia, anti-gun protests are springing up around the country. the debate on gun control has also triggered a run on gun shows and gun stores. sales are soaring as people...
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this is not just an issue of the nra and where the nra sits on issues. gun crime is down. violent crime is down. these mass shootings are up. what is the x factor here? is it the guns or is it something else? there is strong evidence that points to something else. >> i would add all three guns used in the shooting purchased legally. connecticut has some of the most strict gun laws in the country. >> they do. >> fred, you've polled for many years on this and many other topics. the numbers on gun control broadly not speaking the last two weeks but broadly suggest the country is -- would prefer less strictures rather than more to enforce what we have rather than more. we've seen the numbers change a little bit. is this an upward trend or not? >> i don't know. i think the jury is still out on this, chris. i think in terms of this, is this a tipping point moment, it is, but it all depends on what it is. is it a tipping point moment where the congress and the president moved in one direction? >> right. >> is it a tipping point moment from the nra in terms of its image with the p
this is not just an issue of the nra and where the nra sits on issues. gun crime is down. violent crime is down. these mass shootings are up. what is the x factor here? is it the guns or is it something else? there is strong evidence that points to something else. >> i would add all three guns used in the shooting purchased legally. connecticut has some of the most strict gun laws in the country. >> they do. >> fred, you've polled for many years on this and many other topics....
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but we also need to take a look at what's going on to combat the nra, to push back against the nra. you know, i wrote a piece talking about how mayor bloomberg is doing his part with mayors against illegal guns and also his super pac, independence usa pac, where he's really going out there, pushing back against illegal guns, going up against the nra in only the way mike bloomberg can, one, because he's a billionaire. and being a billionaire gives you the money to go up against the nra, which a lot of people donate ha don't have, but it also gives him that independence to sort of tell the nra to stuff it. so if you have the president out there pushing, you have mayor bloomberg out there pushing, then i think it's incumbent upon all of us to go out there and and give our members of congress the courage they need to tell the nra, this time, we're not listening to you. this time, we're going to do something. >> yeah. john heilemann? >> well, look, i think that that's all true. and you know, you know, the president has the loudest voice here. and he can't -- you know, he's only one voice
but we also need to take a look at what's going on to combat the nra, to push back against the nra. you know, i wrote a piece talking about how mayor bloomberg is doing his part with mayors against illegal guns and also his super pac, independence usa pac, where he's really going out there, pushing back against illegal guns, going up against the nra in only the way mike bloomberg can, one, because he's a billionaire. and being a billionaire gives you the money to go up against the nra, which a...
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. >> but the nra will be fighting strong. do you think they are power and influences over estimated as mayor michael bloomberg said? >> no, it wasn't. i think at the time, mayor bloomberg, a few years ago -- you know, i'm a little puzzled by mr. bloomberg pointing fingers at everyone else. the assault weapons ban expired in 2004, which was the result of the republican congress. that was around the time that mike bloomberg was giving money to republicans. i don't remember him telling tom delay that he wouldn't contribute to delay's organization at that time. newtown has changed things. what it has done is given those people who agree with us that we should regulate guns more motivation. they're more likely now to vote that way. so two years ago, yeah, the nra was very powerful. and it could defeat some people. but the newtown mass murder that the -- the unspeakable horror of that, has changed the equation. >> it is so e gree jous, when you look at florida and ohio, ex-felons never allowed to vote again in their life. but after
. >> but the nra will be fighting strong. do you think they are power and influences over estimated as mayor michael bloomberg said? >> no, it wasn't. i think at the time, mayor bloomberg, a few years ago -- you know, i'm a little puzzled by mr. bloomberg pointing fingers at everyone else. the assault weapons ban expired in 2004, which was the result of the republican congress. that was around the time that mike bloomberg was giving money to republicans. i don't remember him telling...
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>>> this morning on "first look", the head of the nra fires back at critics explaining why he wants to address gun violence in schools with more guns. >>> retailers prepare for the last holiday hooray as time ticks away for procrastinating shoppers. >>> plus, a u.s. senator arrested on dui charges. the world's most expensive christmas dinner. >>> and "the hobbit" holds on. >>> very good morning to you. i'm veronica de la cruz. days after the national rifle association's first public comment since the massacre, they're criticizing him for wanting to put armed guards in school. he's sticking to his guns. congress can't do anything about it until next month nbc danielle leigh joins us from washington. good morning. >> reporter: veronica, good morning. as that gun debate heats up, we are also approaching the fiscal cliff. we're talking about uncertainty now on two issues close to american's hearts and across the country people are responding. some spending less this holiday this season as the fiscal cliff nears and others buying guns as that intensifies. fresh off a demand for armed guards
>>> this morning on "first look", the head of the nra fires back at critics explaining why he wants to address gun violence in schools with more guns. >>> retailers prepare for the last holiday hooray as time ticks away for procrastinating shoppers. >>> plus, a u.s. senator arrested on dui charges. the world's most expensive christmas dinner. >>> and "the hobbit" holds on. >>> very good morning to you. i'm veronica de la cruz....
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an obvious reference there to the nra. there were no supported senators of the nra that would go on "meet the press" this weekend. the nra has been oddly mum in this, telling nbc news they want to wait to remark on this until more facts come to light. but as you pointed out in a recent editorial yourself, as we look back on the assault weapons ban between 1994 and 2004, we saw such a decrease in the amount of gun crimes in this country, yet we let that lapse. we got away from it. how easy is it going to be to utilize what is -- the knowledge that's coming out of this tragedy in newtown to revisit that and get something done? >> i would never say doing anything in washington is easy at all. look, we are going to have to do something. i'm not a huge fan actually of the assault weapons ban. this gets to something broader i think that needs to be talked about. we need to do something. we need action. you keep hearing that. we also need to do the right thing. we need things that will actually help the assault weapons ban, i don
an obvious reference there to the nra. there were no supported senators of the nra that would go on "meet the press" this weekend. the nra has been oddly mum in this, telling nbc news they want to wait to remark on this until more facts come to light. but as you pointed out in a recent editorial yourself, as we look back on the assault weapons ban between 1994 and 2004, we saw such a decrease in the amount of gun crimes in this country, yet we let that lapse. we got away from it. how...
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they have continued to broadcast nra news. it is a show owned and operated by the nra and it appears online each day. last night host jenny simone led her program by responding to jay carney's announcement on the president's support for a new assault weapons ban. >> more gun laws are not the answer and what we need to do is stop making schools magnets for mass murderers like adam lanza. >> the show then went on to rail against gun-free school zones saying if the teachers at newtown had been armed, they would have survived. >> good advice for senator feinstein and some of those anti-gunners on the hill to listen to some of these survivors at the school. these gun-free zones are not the answer. people are left at sitting ducks. adam lanza knew he was going to be able to do what he wanted to do. >> earlier this month nra ceo wayne la pierre warned members to get prepared for a massive effort by the white house to take away guns. >> we are about to be victim of a siege against the second amendment in this country going into obama'
they have continued to broadcast nra news. it is a show owned and operated by the nra and it appears online each day. last night host jenny simone led her program by responding to jay carney's announcement on the president's support for a new assault weapons ban. >> more gun laws are not the answer and what we need to do is stop making schools magnets for mass murderers like adam lanza. >> the show then went on to rail against gun-free school zones saying if the teachers at newtown...
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nra positions. in 2009, the nra pushed through laws relaxing the ability to carry guns on amtrak. i will admit i don't understand the need for that at all and new laws relaxing gun bans in national parks. what can we expect the nra to go along with? >> in louisiana they pushed a law to allow people to carry guns in churches. the bishop put the stop to that. look, they're very powerful group. no question about it. and they put a lot of stuff through and a lot of people not just the congress but state legislators are mortified for these guys and for good reason. they send out a lot of mail and people follow them. i think the vice president was instrumental in passing the assault weapon ban before. he knows this. he is a good man to head up this task force but he will be in for a heck of a fight them play pretty tough. it is not an easy thing to get done here. >> what should the nra say? he is coming out and talking tomorrow. is it safe to assume he will say look, we do support some kind of change. som
nra positions. in 2009, the nra pushed through laws relaxing the ability to carry guns on amtrak. i will admit i don't understand the need for that at all and new laws relaxing gun bans in national parks. what can we expect the nra to go along with? >> in louisiana they pushed a law to allow people to carry guns in churches. the bishop put the stop to that. look, they're very powerful group. no question about it. and they put a lot of stuff through and a lot of people not just the...
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the nra has four million members. american has 10 billion people living here. i just don't understand why everybody is so coward about publicly debating this and trying to get the measures in place that you've just suggested. >> i think there really has been a seismic change, the political landscape is changing, almost as people react to the horror of beautiful children, babies, really, slaughtered and the teachers and other professionals who came to their aid, putting themselves literally between the bullets and those children. i think that a nerve has been touched and i think that newtown will never be the same but neither will america. and so i think that kind of nerve hitting will be reflected in what happens here in washington. >> are you really sensing, from your colleagues, that this is a tipping point? >> i really am sensing that there is an openness and willingness on the part of a lot of people who never would have considered -- for example, a ban on assault weapons which, as everybody knows, were designed for military use and right now even in the st
the nra has four million members. american has 10 billion people living here. i just don't understand why everybody is so coward about publicly debating this and trying to get the measures in place that you've just suggested. >> i think there really has been a seismic change, the political landscape is changing, almost as people react to the horror of beautiful children, babies, really, slaughtered and the teachers and other professionals who came to their aid, putting themselves...
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i don't think the nra is listening. i don't think they understand. most americans would protect the second amendment rights and yet agree with the idea that not every human being should own a gun. >> so, first to you, where is that common sense ground? from a republican policy perspective, what would that middle ground look like? >> my view is that you have to focus on gun trafficking. we have a huge problem with the federal private sales loophole in this country and the truth is there are a lot of republicans who are resistant to closing that loophole. republicans need to recognize that a second amendment and cracking down on illegal private sales both can happen at the same time. they need to move on that issue to be where the country is now. >> ever since the newtown shooting, i felt this has been a one dimensional conversation. it has been based on the issue of gun control. when to deal with and i think you have to look at it from multiple direction. the problem though is that you have folks who want the quick fix. they want to be able to say hey
i don't think the nra is listening. i don't think they understand. most americans would protect the second amendment rights and yet agree with the idea that not every human being should own a gun. >> so, first to you, where is that common sense ground? from a republican policy perspective, what would that middle ground look like? >> my view is that you have to focus on gun trafficking. we have a huge problem with the federal private sales loophole in this country and the truth is...